What is that in Australian cricket team?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

We have a host of players who have been continuing the same mistakes for years now. Should we send Sachin, Sehwag, Ganguly and Laxman to oblivion for fishing outside the offstump inspite of all reversals?

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umm...2 b really honest i think gangu stayz in da team most of da time jst coz he'z da captain...nt coz he'z a consistent or gr8 player..

[Habitual Perfectionist]

umm...2 b really honest i think gangu stayz in da team most of da time jst coz he'z da captain...nt coz he'z a consistent or gr8 player..

I agree he's a gr8 captain...the best we've ever had since Tiger. But extending A2C's logic, isn't he supposed to be a batsman first?

[salamehyderabad]

umm...2 b really honest i think gangu stayz in da team most of da time jst coz he'z da captain...nt coz he'z a consistent or gr8 player..

I agree he's a gr8 captain...the best we've ever had since Tiger. But extending A2C's logic, isn't he supposed to be a batsman first?

He is supposed to be tats it.. hez not considered a batsmen for me.. he who played international cricket cannot play the ball off the pads n on the legside which the asians are well versed with is not considered to be a batsmen. He was a good timer but Steve Waugh n Jayasurya exploited his batting prowess

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i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...

but no doubt hez a good captain..

[Habitual Perfectionist]

i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

Coming back to the debate on Parthiv, why is he being victimised on the count of not doing his primary job properly, while Ganguly goes scotfree in this matter? Look at the point in the light that of late, batting has been one of our serious concerns and Parthiv, at the beginning of the tail lends the batting order a lot of stability.



P.S. : I am not against Ganguly being in the team. Infact, I'm one of his biggest supporters. The changes he's brought into the Indian cricketers' mindset are exemplary. I just used this example to prove a point.

[salamehyderabad]

i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

What perofrmances r ya talking bout .. against kenya, bangladesh, holland .......once in a while with other teams

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i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

What perofrmances r ya talking bout .. against kenya, bangladesh, holland .......once in a while with other teams

huh?...wht do u think am talkin bout...his good or his bad performances?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

What perofrmances r ya talking bout .. against kenya, bangladesh, holland .......once in a while with other teams

In no way can you discount the aggression Souravda has brought into the team. how can you forget that it was Sourav's toughness which saw the Indians beat the Aussies at home and nearly beat them away?

[salamehyderabad]

i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

What perofrmances r ya talking bout .. against kenya, bangladesh, holland .......once in a while with other teams

In no way can you discount the aggression Souravda has brought into the team. how can you forget that it was Sourav's toughness which saw the Indians beat the Aussies at home and nearly beat them away?

I know he got attitude. HP ganguly has got the best ever team India ever produced with youngsters. Tendulkar led a lousy team during his captaincy. Srinath was the only spearhead he had for the whole seris of SA. Thats where srinath got his shoulder screwed.

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i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

Coming back to the debate on Parthiv, why is he being victimised on the count of not doing his primary job properly, while Ganguly goes scotfree in this matter? Look at the point in the light that of late, batting has been one of our serious concerns and Parthiv, at the beginning of the tail lends the batting order a lot of stability.
P.S. : I am not against Ganguly being in the team. Infact, I'm one of his biggest supporters. The changes he's brought into the Indian cricketers' mindset are exemplary. I just used this example to prove a point.

yup he surely does,in the end he waz bein given chances mainly coz of his batting sensibility.

Well the main reason i think Partiv is bein victimised iz coz he started off as a prodigy...but hasnt continued in da same consistent state..well ofcourse not entirely his prob. ( evryone makez mistakes)..

but we i mean da indianz...when we support/praise someone we lift em 2 da 7th sky..n when they get a bit below da expectationz we dump em under da ground (da perfect ex. being hritik )

[salamehyderabad]

i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

What perofrmances r ya talking bout .. against kenya, bangladesh, holland .......once in a while with other teams

huh?...wht do u think am talkin bout...his good or his bad performances?

hehehe ...........which do u think r his gud performances and bad once..

I hate Ganguly to death

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i think he usually getz away wid hiz performance jst coz he'z a captain...i mean if he were neother player in da team he'd b left 2 wait on da bench quite a few timez...
but no doubt hez a good captain..

What perofrmances r ya talking bout .. against kenya, bangladesh, holland .......once in a while with other teams

huh?...wht do u think am talkin bout...his good or his bad performances?

hehehe ...........which do u think r his gud performances and bad once..
I hate Ganguly to death

i pretty much figured tht out..! dnt like him much either ..but he's one of those ppl u hate 2 luv..

[Habitual Perfectionist]

but we i mean da indianz...when we support/praise someone we lift em 2 da 7th sky..n when they get a bit below da expectationz we dump em under da ground (da perfect ex. being hritik )

Have said that ever since I saw it happen to poor Ravi Shastri. And the biggest culprit here is the media.

[salamehyderabad]

but we i mean da indianz...when we support/praise someone we lift em 2 da 7th sky..n when they get a bit below da expectationz we dump em under da ground (da perfect ex. being hritik )

Have said that ever since I saw it happen to poor Ravi Shastri. And the biggest culprit here is the media.

These ppl are being paid way too much above their performances. Even thou we lose a seris, later on the Indian crowd is satisfied with a win against a poor performing team. The media give a damn hype to the Indian team. These ppl now started to open up resturants n bussiness. God save them fans

[Habitual Perfectionist]

but we i mean da indianz...when we support/praise someone we lift em 2 da 7th sky..n when they get a bit below da expectationz we dump em under da ground (da perfect ex. being hritik )

Have said that ever since I saw it happen to poor Ravi Shastri. And the biggest culprit here is the media.

These ppl are being paid way too much above their performances. Even thou we lose a seris, later on the Indian crowd is satisfied with a win against a poor performing team. The media give a damn hype to the Indian team. These ppl now started to open up resturants n bussiness. God save them fans

Do you think executives in business houses get paid according to performances? Salaries in the range of 30 Lacs pa...with an expense account to go along with it and perks....isn't that high too?



Movie actors....a crore for a movie is what an average actor with a couple of hits to his name charges. Isn't that too way too much?



As for the money the players are getting, they are getting it because of simple economics. Me, you or anyone else like us will not make ads sell. Its celebrities that add the much needed glamour to adverts. And thus, the companies pay these celebrities the money. I don't see anything wrong in that.



And what's wrong in planning for a future after your playing days are over? Indian fans are unfair in demanding too much from the players. For whatever the fans care, a player should do nothing but play, play and play and score a century and take 5 wickets in every match he plays. Stop this shitty thinking ppl.

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but we i mean da indianz...when we support/praise someone we lift em 2 da 7th sky..n when they get a bit below da expectationz we dump em under da ground (da perfect ex. being hritik )

Have said that ever since I saw it happen to poor Ravi Shastri. And the biggest culprit here is the media.

These ppl are being paid way too much above their performances. Even thou we lose a seris, later on the Indian crowd is satisfied with a win against a poor performing team. The media give a damn hype to the Indian team. These ppl now started to open up resturants n bussiness. God save them fans

eghactlyyyyy!!

At a point of time it seemed tht da team waz more bzy shootin in adz than practicin...



on da bright side am pretty happy bout da Tsunami relief matches tht all da r bein played by all da cricketerz..

[Habitual Perfectionist]

I'm sorry for my language in my last post. But it gets to my nerves when ppl expect the sky out of mere mortals.

[salamehyderabad]

but we i mean da indianz...when we support/praise someone we lift em 2 da 7th sky..n when they get a bit below da expectationz we dump em under da ground (da perfect ex. being hritik )

Have said that ever since I saw it happen to poor Ravi Shastri. And the biggest culprit here is the media.

These ppl are being paid way too much above their performances. Even thou we lose a seris, later on the Indian crowd is satisfied with a win against a poor performing team. The media give a damn hype to the Indian team. These ppl now started to open up resturants n bussiness. God save them fans

Do you think executives in business houses get paid according to performances? Salaries in the range of 30 Lacs pa...with an expense account to go along with it and perks....isn't that high too?

Movie actors....a crore for a movie is what an average actor with a couple of hits to his name charges. Isn't that too way too much?

As for the money the players are getting, they are getting it because of simple economics. Me, you or anyone else like us will not make ads sell. Its celebrities that add the much needed glamour to adverts. And thus, the companies pay these celebrities the money. I don't see anything wrong in that.

And what's wrong in planning for a future after your playing days are over? Indian fans are unfair in demanding too much from the players. For whatever the fans care, a player should do nothing but play, play and play and score a century and take 5 wickets in every match he plays. Stop this shitty thinking ppl.

thats wat i said HP bhaiii..... I didnt wat tendulkar to score every match all i wanted is a little bit of all round contribution.. tats it



GOD SAVE FANS koi bhi field rahne do...

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but we i mean da indianz...when we support/praise someone we lift em 2 da 7th sky..n when they get a bit below da expectationz we dump em under da ground (da perfect ex. being hritik )

Have said that ever since I saw it happen to poor Ravi Shastri. And the biggest culprit here is the media.

These ppl are being paid way too much above their performances. Even thou we lose a seris, later on the Indian crowd is satisfied with a win against a poor performing team. The media give a damn hype to the Indian team. These ppl now started to open up resturants n bussiness. God save them fans

Do you think executives in business houses get paid according to performances? Salaries in the range of 30 Lacs pa...with an expense account to go along with it and perks....isn't that high too?

Movie actors....a crore for a movie is what an average actor with a couple of hits to his name charges. Isn't that too way too much?

As for the money the players are getting, they are getting it because of simple economics. Me, you or anyone else like us will not make ads sell. Its celebrities that add the much needed glamour to adverts. And thus, the companies pay these celebrities the money. I don't see anything wrong in that.

And what's wrong in planning for a future after your playing days are over? Indian fans are unfair in demanding too much from the players. For whatever the fans care, a player should do nothing but play, play and play and score a century and take 5 wickets in every match he plays. Stop this shitty thinking ppl.

thats wat i said HP bhaiii..... I didnt wat tendulkar to score every match all i wanted is a little bit of all round contribution.. tats it

GOD SAVE FANS koi bhi field rahne do...

i agree, but HP ..itz not really out fault tht we expect 2 much from em...or tht we ridicule neone of em...even if these thought dnt come 2 our mindz da media is alwayz there...2 put em in our mind n affect our thinkin..

[Habitual Perfectionist]

It has been discussed on another thread that shooting for ads is something that doesn't really interfere with the players' cricket. They have different hours when they practice and play and different hours for shooting ads.



This campaign about cricketers having become more busy shooting ads than playing has been spread by some jealous elements who probably didn't like the players getting all that endorsement money.



As for the media's role, you can check out my last edition of PS.



http://www.fullhyd.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?t=39722

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It has been discussed on another thread that shooting for ads is something that doesn't really interfere with the players' cricket. They have different hours when they practice and play and different hours for shooting ads.

This campaign about cricketers having become more busy shooting ads than playing has been spread by some jealous elements who probably didn't like the players getting all that endorsement money.

As for the media's role, you can check out my last edition of PS.

http://www.fullhyd.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?t=39722

kkkkkk....thx 4 da info..

[akhilis2cool]

Prior to the Sydney test, Parthiv has performed commendably even as a keeper in a lot of tests and one dayers. Agreed that his performances of late haven't been that good. But that, in no way means that he's lacking in abilities.

Prior to sydney test India played against the windies....AFAI remember he did a fine job with the bat and the gloves...but thats a good year and a half ago.

A slump in form is not dependant on time, but on other factors like motivation, training, practice etc. Take the example of players like Virender Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh etc., who had much longer slumps in form -but came out good finally

I dont think theres ne bigger motivation for a player than being persisted with even after performances like the ones in Sydney, Melbourne, Chennai, Bangalore.
I have not seen any player having a slump in form for 10 months. off late the selectors have shown persistence with young players. Yuvraj and Sehwag had made match winning contributions more than one time before they went into a slump (which didnt last long)....and there was a time when yuvraj was out of the team for several months b'coz of poor form. as for sehwag, well he has made a test hundred in each test series india has played over the last 1- 1 1/2 years. the only slump in form he had was in one dayers, plus, he is laso a useful bowler.

I dont care what the media has to say abt. parthiv patel. these are my views.

One thing that I would expect from parthiv patel when he comes back (hopefully he will) is mental toughness. its lack of this thing that has gone against him in pressure situtations, esp. against the aussies. Both Kartik and Dhoni have played a lot of 1st class cricket before being selected for the national team. Dhoni has done exceedingly well as a opening bartsman for India A, Dinesh Kartik has shown the necessary mental toughness required when u are keeping to the likes of Kumble and harbhajan on spinner friendly pitches. Thats the reason I want them to b persisted with. And as long as they are there Patel will not b able to find a place in the team.

Infact, the best example of this is Marvan Atapattu. If you remember, he debuted against India, where he scored 1 run in his first 3 tests (5 Ducks including 2 first ball ducks). And today, he is the captain of the team and also holds the distinction of the maximum double centuries among all currently playing batsmen.

Thats rite. but he did deliver.

[akhilis2cool]

umm...2 b really honest i think gangu stayz in da team most of da time jst coz he'z da captain...nt coz he'z a consistent or gr8 player..

I agree he's a gr8 captain...the best we've ever had since Tiger. But extending A2C's logic, isn't he supposed to be a batsman first?

Yes he is. and it is also a well known fact that his fielding is a liability to the team. AFA batting is concerned, its been some thime since he gave a big score, but he has been chipping in with the 40s and 50s. Captaincy is a far more demanding job than just keeping wickets. Sourav has played some crucial knocks as a captain. One of them being the 144 at Brisbane which set the tone for the series in which the world champions got dominated by India in there own back yard.



India wld. have finished the series 2-1 if not for......

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Prior to the Sydney test, Parthiv has performed commendably even as a keeper in a lot of tests and one dayers. Agreed that his performances of late haven't been that good. But that, in no way means that he's lacking in abilities.

Prior to sydney test India played against the windies....AFAI remember he did a fine job with the bat and the gloves...but thats a good year and a half ago.

Exactly my point. When he has delivered once, why are people doubting his abilities? The issues lie with fine tuning and building up of mental toughness.

A slump in form is not dependant on time, but on other factors like motivation, training, practice etc. Take the example of players like Virender Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh etc., who had much longer slumps in form -but came out good finally

I dont think theres ne bigger motivation for a player than being persisted with even after performances like the ones in Sydney, Melbourne, Chennai, Bangalore.

Remember that we're talking about a 16 year old kid who was thrown to the wolves without any conditioning. I'm not saying that this should be an excuse to get him back into the team or ignore his failures. But he should be handled with care or else he'll end up being another Paddy Shivalkar or Amol Muzumdar.

I have not seen any player having a slump in form for 10 months. off late the selectors have shown persistence with young players. Yuvraj and Sehwag had made match winning contributions more than one time before they went into a slump (which didnt last long)....and there was a time when yuvraj was out of the team for several months b'coz of poor form. as for sehwag, well he has made a test hundred in each test series india has played over the last 1- 1 1/2 years. the only slump in form he had was in one dayers, plus, he is laso a useful bowler.

I wasn't talking about only the current crop of players. In the past too, there have been instances of players having long enough slumps in the game. Sachin is a very good example.

One thing that I would expect from parthiv patel when he comes back (hopefully he will) is mental toughness. its lack of this thing that has gone against him in pressure situtations, esp. against the aussies. Both Kartik and Dhoni have played a lot of 1st class cricket before being selected for the national team. Dhoni has done exceedingly well as a opening bartsman for India A, Dinesh Kartik has shown the necessary mental toughness required when u are keeping to the likes of Kumble and harbhajan on spinner friendly pitches. Thats the reason I want them to b persisted with. And as long as they are there Patel will not b able to find a place in the team.

The same thing was being said about Parthiv when he had just come in. He did a fairly good job behind the stumps to the same bowlers. His problem started when he couldn't keep up the good work consistently. And I don't think Dhoni and Kartik have been around long enough to certify them to be better than Parthiv. This is the kind of campaign that hurts morale. I feel we should let both newcomers deliver for a longer period of time before coming to the judgement that they are better than their predecessor.

Infact, the best example of this is Marvan Atapattu. If you remember, he debuted against India, where he scored 1 run in his first 3 tests (5 Ducks including 2 first ball ducks). And today, he is the captain of the team and also holds the distinction of the maximum double centuries among all currently playing batsmen.

Thats rite. but he did deliver.

He could deliver only after getting chances. And he got much more than Parthiv did.