What is that in Australian cricket team?

[akhilis2cool]

Remember that we're talking about a 16 year old kid who was thrown to the wolves without any conditioning. I'm not saying that this should be an excuse to get him back into the team or ignore his failures. But he should be handled with care or else he'll end up being another Paddy Shivalkar or Amol Muzumdar.

Even I would like him to come back as a better player. But my point is that he has been given enuf chances. Its now time to try out other ppl. Mean while patel can try and improve his keeping to the spinners.

The same thing was being said about Parthiv when he had just come in. He did a fairly good job behind the stumps to the same bowlers. His problem started when he couldn't keep up the good work consistently. And I don't think Dhoni and Kartik have been around long enough to certify them to be better than Parthiv. This is the kind of campaign that hurts morale. I feel we should let both newcomers deliver for a longer period of time before coming to the judgement that they are better than their predecessor.

Parthiv made his debut against england. In a match that saw him bat better than he kept. It was his batting that won him more accolades than his keeping AFAI remember.

Compare this to the debut of Dinesh Kartik. In Mumbai against the worlds best team, that too with the home side under severe pressure to get back some lost pride. Add to that the condition of the wicket. Believe me he did gr8 job in that match. Of course the same can't b said abt. Dhoni as he has not been tested.

Whats being said by the media (read news channels) is only to get ppl. to watch there channels, they are not qualified enuf to make intelligent comments on a players abilities. in this regard the sports channels are much better.

He could deliver only after getting chances. And he got much more than Parthiv did.

Thats what my point is. Dont u think patel has got enuf chances? more than a year and half behind the stumps is a long enuf time.

Sachin is a very good example.

Correct me if I am wrong but sachins first bad patch came when he was made the captain, at that time he was arnd. 23 yrs old....already 7 years in to intl. cricket. Of course there have been players who have been dropped for no reason and there have been players who have been persisted with for no reason...but thats the selectors' choice. And that used to happen long back.



I think the current grp. of selectors in much better. just look at the team composition.....its much better than what it used to b. we have more performers than ppl. who come in just to fill up the zonal quota.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

The same thing was being said about Parthiv when he had just come in. He did a fairly good job behind the stumps to the same bowlers. His problem started when he couldn't keep up the good work consistently. And I don't think Dhoni and Kartik have been around long enough to certify them to be better than Parthiv. This is the kind of campaign that hurts morale. I feel we should let both newcomers deliver for a longer period of time before coming to the judgement that they are better than their predecessor.

Parthiv made his debut against england. In a match that saw him bat better than he kept. It was his batting that won him more accolades than his keeping AFAI remember.

Compare this to the debut of Dinesh Kartik. In Mumbai against the worlds best team, that too with the home side under severe pressure to get back some lost pride. Add to that the condition of the wicket. Believe me he did gr8 job in that match. Of course the same can't b said abt. Dhoni as he has not been tested.

Do you think just the debut is enough to judge a player? If that was the case, Vinod Kambli should have been in the Indian team for life.

Again...my point is not that Parthiv should be back in the team. I just want to say that its wrong to call him a bad player and we should leave him alone till he gets enough zaz in his performances to get back into the team.

Whats being said by the media (read news channels) is only to get ppl. to watch there channels, they are not qualified enuf to make intelligent comments on a players abilities. in this regard the sports channels are much better.

I agree with you there. Added to this, we also haev a lot of personal opinions on sports channels too. There are numerous occasions when one commentator likes a player/team and the other doesn't. What comes out is confusion for the layfan (pun intended).

He could deliver only after getting chances. And he got much more than Parthiv did.

Thats what my point is. Dont u think patel has got enuf chances? more than a year and half behind the stumps is a long enuf time.

I think he deserved to be out of the team for a while. But I also feel that this shouldn't be ordained as the end of his career which a lot of people are hellbent upon.

Sachin is a very good example.

Correct me if I am wrong but sachins first bad patch came when he was made the captain, at that time he was arnd. 23 yrs old....already 7 years in to intl. cricket. Of course there have been players who have been dropped for no reason and there have been players who have been persisted with for no reason...but thats the selectors' choice. And that used to happen long back.

I think the current grp. of selectors in much better. just look at the team composition.....its much better than what it used to b. we have more performers than ppl. who come in just to fill up the zonal quota.

I don't think there's any change in the way selectors are approaching the job. We still have a Rohan Gavaskar sneaking into the team and an Akash Chopra being shot to the fence for no logical reasons. The reason you see a difference in the team composition is because over the last few years, players have evolved into more complete players due to the constant ridicule of being labelled "Tigers at home and minnows abroad". The quality of pitches has seen an improvement too. Had such pitches existed when Srinath and Prasad were at the helm of the attack, India could have produced much better results away.

[akhilis2cool]

Do you think just the debut is enough to judge a player? If that was the case, Vinod Kambli should have been in the Indian team for life.

Again...my point is not that Parthiv should be back in the team. I just want to say that its wrong to call him a bad player and we should leave him alone till he gets enough zaz in his performances to get back into the team.

I too wouldnt mind him coming back.....but not before Dinesh Kartik and Dhoni have been given a fair chance.

I agree with you there. Added to this, we also haev a lot of personal opinions on sports channels too. There are numerous occasions when one commentator likes a player/team and the other doesn't. What comes out is confusion for the layfan (pun intended).

The Non-neutral commentators aka the Sunil Gavaskars....Ramiz Rajas...Mike Proctors....Make watching cricket a pain.

I don't think there's any change in the way selectors are approaching the job. We still have a Rohan Gavaskar sneaking into the team and an Akash Chopra being shot to the fence for no logical reasons. The reason you see a difference in the team composition is because over the last few years, players have evolved into more complete players due to the constant ridicule of being labelled "Tigers at home and minnows abroad". The quality of pitches has seen an improvement too. Had such pitches existed when Srinath and Prasad were at the helm of the attack, India could have produced much better results away.

There will b a few of them like that....but over all I have seen more players being persisted with than before. Thats a good sign

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I too wouldnt mind him coming back.....but not before Dinesh Kartik and Dhoni have been given a fair chance.

Yup..thts wht i meant as well...

n spl when these 2 seem 2 b playin well...

[akhilis2cool]

I too wouldnt mind him coming back.....but not before Dinesh Kartik and Dhoni have been given a fair chance.

Yup..thts wht i meant as well...
n spl when these 2 seem 2 b playin well...

aha!

good to see some one else post here......i thot me and HP sar were the only ppl. interested



BTW saw yesterdays match betweeen Aus and WI?

They crushed them like nething. tch tch tch.....

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lolz..

na i've posted quite alota timez here ...probably u didnt notice...n have been contradicted more than half of da time..

umm...didnt c it...

[ycr007]

BTW saw yesterdays match betweeen Aus and WI?
They crushed them like nething. tch tch tch.....

yep...real pathetic the way the Windies first let Aus off the hook

in the First innings and then crumbled away in the second.



Brett Lee bowled fantastically well but the windies seemesd to have

lost the fight in the mind.Their body language said it all.

Also the young brigade like Sarwan,Samuels are not putting their

100 %......



@MM....Gotta see which matches? tell us so that we can spot u in the

crowd......Jus' carry a Large Banner Proclaiming ur identity so that we can

spot u better

[ycr007]

BTW saw yesterdays match betweeen Aus and WI?
They crushed them like nething. tch tch tch.....

yep...real pathetic the way the Windies first let Aus off the hook

in the First innings and then crumbled away in the second.



Brett Lee bowled fantastically well but the windies seemesd to have

lost the fight in the mind.Their body language said it all.

Also the young brigade like Sarwan,Samuels are not putting their

100 %......



@MM....Gotta see which matches? tell us so that we can spot u in the

crowd......Jus' carry a Large Banner Proclaiming ur identity so that we can

spot u better

[akhilis2cool]

lolz..
na i've posted quite alota timez here ...probably u didnt notice...n have been contradicted more than half of da time..
umm...didnt c it...

I have posting on this thread since the very first day.

i know who all have posted.....i was only referring to the discussion on patel.....cheer up

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jst when i though partiv waz doin ok...ahh...he endz up actin like charlie chaplin... though i think dinesh is doin good...
..

ahemmm....thtz whr it really kinda started A2C..

[akhilis2cool]

jst when i though partiv waz doin ok...ahh...he endz up actin like charlie chaplin... though i think dinesh is doin good...
..

ahemmm....thtz whr it really kinda started A2C..

yeh I remember.

but at least we have had a decent discussion after a long time.

[akhilis2cool]

jst when i though partiv waz doin ok...ahh...he endz up actin like charlie chaplin... though i think dinesh is doin good...
..

ahemmm....thtz whr it really kinda started A2C..

yeh I remember.

but at least we have had a decent discussion after a long time.

[akhilis2cool]

jst when i though partiv waz doin ok...ahh...he endz up actin like charlie chaplin... though i think dinesh is doin good...
..

ahemmm....thtz whr it really kinda started A2C..

yeh I remember.

but at least we have had a decent discussion after a long time.

[akhilis2cool]

The aussies did it again!



I really felt like Kicking the paki bowlers. they had the aussies on the mat at 180 for 5. still they allowed them to get away.



Whats the use of havin the worlds fastest bowler in your team when he cant bowl a decent line and length?



The current bowling line up of pak. is not even 10% of what it was during the times of Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram.



It was good to see Shahid Afridi smash the shit out of Glenn Mc Grath.

[lizard king]

The aussies did it again!

I really felt like Kicking the paki bowlers. they had the aussies on the mat at 180 for 5. still they allowed them to get away.

Whats the use of havin the worlds fastest bowler in your team when he cant bowl a decent line and length?

The current bowling line up of pak. is not even 10% of what it was during the times of Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram.

It was good to see Shahid Afridi smash the shit out of Glenn Mc Grath.

thats all i did on sunday.... saw cricket... well, it was good entertainment from both the sides, i hate Clarke, but just cant stop appreciating his talent.

how many of the much hyped Indian youngsters deliver like him (Kaif? yuvraj Singh?) with the same consistency.

[akhilis2cool]

thats all i did on sunday.... saw cricket... well, it was good entertainment from both the sides, i hate Clarke, but just cant stop appreciating his talent.
how many of the much hyped Indian youngsters deliver like him (Kaif? yuvraj Singh?) with the same consistency.

Clarke has been playing consistently for some time now. But I heard the words 'future super star' being used for the first time y'day. I dont know how much hyped-up he is there...but surely we are the toppers when it comes to hyping or rediculing a potential gr8.



I believe only kaif has been consistent. but he needs bat up the order. he is the next captain of the india one day team.

[lizard king]

thats all i did on sunday.... saw cricket... well, it was good entertainment from both the sides, i hate Clarke, but just cant stop appreciating his talent.
how many of the much hyped Indian youngsters deliver like him (Kaif? yuvraj Singh?) with the same consistency.

Clarke has been playing consistently for some time now. But I heard the words 'future super star' being used for the first time y'day. I dont know how much hyped-up he is there...but surely we are the toppers when it comes to hyping or rediculing a potential gr8.

I believe only kaif has been consistent. but he needs bat up the order. he is the next captain of the india one day team.

Yeah... even I consider kaif an Azhar in the making, he ll be an excellent captian, and why dont they still kick ganguly's ass out of the captiancy? Of late, he has shown no team spirit and killer instinct. he was good, but it is time for a change.

[akhilis2cool]

Yeah... even I consider kaif an Azhar in the making, he ll be an excellent captian, and why dont they still kick ganguly's ass out of the captiancy? Of late, he has shown no team spirit and killer instinct. he was good, but it is time for a change.

Ganguly is still Ok I think we havent been playing many matces off late. if he doesnt do well in the next two big series then well.....

but the replacement will b hard to find. kaif i feel is a bit too young...he needs to play test cricket for atleast one more year b'fore being made the captain.

till then gangulu shd. b there.



btw: do the aussies hype new talents the same way as we do?

[lizard king]

Yeah... even I consider kaif an Azhar in the making, he ll be an excellent captian, and why dont they still kick ganguly's ass out of the captiancy? Of late, he has shown no team spirit and killer instinct. he was good, but it is time for a change.

Ganguly is still Ok I think we havent been playing many matces off late. if he doesnt do well in the next two big series then well.....
but the replacement will b hard to find. kaif i feel is a bit too young...he needs to play test cricket for atleast one more year b'fore being made the captain.
till then gangulu shd. b there.

btw: do the aussies hype new talents the same way as we do?

Na, the aussies do not hype any new talent, look at Brett Lee, he is supposed to the one of the fastest bowler in the world, but then he had to sit on the bench, same as Mark Waugh had to, to make place for Steve waugh in his earlier years.even clarke or any new player, they just have to be there with their ego s down.

the other thing with aussie cricket is that, the playes are nt made heroes, they are jjust looked up as sports men.

[akhilis2cool]

Na, the aussies do not hype any new talent, look at Brett Lee, he is supposed to the one of the fastest bowler in the world, but then he had to sit on the bench, same as Mark Waugh had to, to make place for Steve waugh in his earlier years.even clarke or any new player, they just have to be there with their ego s down.
the other thing with aussie cricket is that, the playes are nt made heroes, they are jjust looked up as sports men.

No wonder they do so well.

but then they also have gr8 sports persons in other sports to look upto. thats the pblm. in india. we try to make heros out of neone who looks remotely good. and when he/she fails he is instantly convrted to a zero.

[ycr007]

I missd the Aus Vs Pak match coz of the Exam.....But am following the

SA Vs.Eng match and it Sure is interestingly poised.....

SA need 203 more runs to win and are 6 down on the Fifth Day...

Gibbs n Smith are Holding Fort....

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I believe only kaif has been consistent. but he needs bat up the order. he is the next captain of the india one day team.

yup I think so to...but for some reason I feel he isnt bein given enough credit for his performances.. he wz pretty consistent durin da aus test.. while da rest of da team waz daydreamin... Hez been v steady since da ICC championz trophy if am nt wrong.

am a biggie "Phanka" of him !

And bout da captiancy thing I suppose he'd b xcellent...but nt now..after a point of time..

[lizard king]

Na, the aussies do not hype any new talent, look at Brett Lee, he is supposed to the one of the fastest bowler in the world, but then he had to sit on the bench, same as Mark Waugh had to, to make place for Steve waugh in his earlier years.even clarke or any new player, they just have to be there with their ego s down.
the other thing with aussie cricket is that, the playes are nt made heroes, they are jjust looked up as sports men.

No wonder they do so well.
but then they also have gr8 sports persons in other sports to look upto. thats the pblm. in india. we try to make heros out of neone who looks remotely good. and when he/she fails he is instantly convrted to a zero.

yeah... swimmers and rugby union players shaare much of the lime light, or even more than the cricketers. well, not that crickters are nt praised, they get all due admiration, but they know how to keep up the place to handle the admiration they recieve.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

The problem with the Indian team's selection is that there's no rhyme or reason behind it...absolutely no method.



I still remember that when Mark Taylor was going through a bad patch, he was persisted with for a full season. But when the slump in form continued beyond that, it was bye bye captaincy and bye bye place-in-the-team for Taylor. I can never see the Indian board do that. The media would raise a storm; the players would act pricey (Srinath did so on numerous occasions and so did Sunny. VVS Laxman is the latest example of this syndrome.). Players like Sachin, Sourav, Rahul etc. have been persisted with inspite of poor form time and again just because of their past performances (Now don't understand this as me asking for these players' heads to be chopped out of the team. I'm referring to the past here). This has two distinct disadvantages.



1. The players don't get enough negative motivation to come out of the slump.



2. Not enough reserves are tested, thus leading to a poor bench strength.



I mentioned Australia's cricketing system as one of the forces behind their success. At the cost of repeating what others have said before me, let me say that the Aussies are where they are today because of the non-interferance of personal egos with the players' game. Right from where I remember, Geoff Marsh, Craig McDermott, Carl Rackemann, Mark Waugh, Mark Taylor, Damien Fleming, Brett Lee have all been sent out of the team, and have come back as good as ever, and in some cases, better.



This is due to the fact that the players know their true worth and also acknowledge the fact that their form would not always be on the top and once they regain that touch, nobody can keep them out of the team. This is also supported by intelligent fans and a responsible media.



All these are parameters where India scores low.

[lizard king]

The problem with the Indian team's selection is that there's no rhyme or reason behind it...absolutely no method.

I still remember that when Mark Taylor was going through a bad patch, he was persisted with for a full season. But when the slump in form continued beyond that, it was bye bye captaincy and bye bye place-in-the-team for Taylor. I can never see the Indian board do that. The media would raise a storm; the players would act pricey (Srinath did so on numerous occasions and so did Sunny. VVS Laxman is the latest example of this syndrome.). Players like Sachin, Sourav, Rahul etc. have been persisted with inspite of poor form time and again just because of their past performances (Now don't understand this as me asking for these players' heads to be chopped out of the team. I'm referring to the past here). This has two distinct disadvantages.

1. The players don't get enough negative motivation to come out of the slump.

2. Not enough reserves are tested, thus leading to a poor bench strength.

I mentioned Australia's cricketing system as one of the forces behind their success. At the cost of repeating what others have said before me, let me say that the Aussies are where they are today because of the non-interferance of personal egos with the players' game. Right from where I remember, Geoff Marsh, Craig McDermott, Carl Rackemann, Mark Waugh, Mark Taylor, Damien Fleming, Brett Lee have all been sent out of the team, and have come back as good as ever, and in some cases, better.

This is due to the fact that the players know their true worth and also acknowledge the fact that their form would not always be on the top and once they regain that touch, nobody can keep them out of the team. This is also supported by intelligent fans and a responsible media.

All these are parameters where India scores low.

the only player i could think of in the indian team who came back after a slump and being dropped out was Azhar, after he lost his captaincy, played for hyderabad, hit consequitive double centuries, made his place into the Indian team and went on to show his brilliance again.

why cant the selectors do to others what they have done with Azhar? Why has there to be a ego problem when a player is dropped that he has to complain that he has some kind of injury or lack of fitness?