Walled off...

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Elsewhere, it should not be forgotten that in the 1990s, the Muslims of Bosnia and, later on, Kosovo were rescued from Serbian genocide when the US used military force to subdue Yugoslavia. Incidentally, the US had taken this action while bypassing the UN Security Council, which had been blocked by Russian veto. In 2003, the US again bypassed the Security Council when it attacked Iraq for which the Muslim world has quite rightly criticized the US, but no mention is made of bypassing the UN in the case of rescue of Muslims of Bosnia and Kosovo. This is a case of double standards.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/01/op.htm

[DQ]

All I can say about the Naivity of the Poster and Dawns editor are?



The Urchin grabbed a loaf of bread, to feed his ailing mate on the verge of annhilation (even if that is true).

Then the Urchin went along and stole the bank, killed the bank staff to help him and his mate to lead a affluent life.



Double standards? He he Aduncously Hilar LOUS he he

[lonewolf]

Then the Urchin went along and stole the bank,

I wasn't sure whether this needs to go to the Grammar thread, but anyway read on.



You don't steal a bank, you rob a bank

[DQ]

Then the Urchin went along and stole the bank,

I wasn't sure whether this needs to go to the Grammar thread, but anyway read on.

You don't steal a bank, you rob a bank

Hmm ok

[lonewolf]

Then the Urchin went along and stole the bank,

I wasn't sure whether this needs to go to the Grammar thread, but anyway read on.

You don't steal a bank, you rob a bank

Hmm ok

Offtrack: This is just a usage issue.

When you say someone robs DQ, it means someone steals something from DQ. If you say someone steals DQ, well, it could imply that DQ is kidnapped.

[paris_dakar]

I started out with a rant of my own against the situation...everybody's done quite a few things wrong and we all bicker about them. to me it seemed pointless to keep up this barrage of quotes and counters. where do we get off...do we expect somebody to say...I am guilty for all this..here is my ass..please have your way with it?



off at a random tangent,

[DQ]

That I guess is termed Apathy, Cover my Ass let the billion burn

[CtrlAltDel]

DQ, have u seen my last post in the previous page?

[DQ]

DQ, have u seen my last post in the previous page?

I did CAD.

We agree on quite a few points.

Such as

- Being selective in criticism is wrong.

- Double standards in justicse system is wrong.

and many more



The rest of it :we are arching around in a circle, until and unless your stand is that muslim communities around the globe are going all out to promote extremism.

If no, you and I agree.

If yes I cannot argue further, it is your opinion and if you want to stand by it: it can't be helped.

[CtrlAltDel]

If no, you and I agree.

does that mean its the end of the debate?

[lonewolf]

If no, you and I agree.

does that mean its the end of the debate?

Cheer up CAD. Mr. Oppresso will be back

[paris_dakar]

That I guess is termed Apathy, Cover my Ass let the billion burn

are you talking to me?

[DQ]

Yes!

To the absurd proposition that the proponents of freedom would cover their ass to let other persih. !!



Huh

[CtrlAltDel]

To the absurd proposition that the proponents of freedom would cover their ass to let other persih. !!

maybe they fought for the freedom to cover their asses...

[DQ]

If no, you and I agree.

does that mean its the end of the debate?

Cheer up CAD. Mr. Oppresso will be back

Aha, really !!



To CAD. I guess so CAD. However I try I cannot find any better words then the one listed below.



"Holy Quran"



They have hearts but do not understand, eyes but do not see. They have ears but do not hear. They are worse than lost cattle. These are the heedless ones.



Have forgiveness, preach the truth, and keep away from the ignorant ones



When a satanic thought starts to bother the pious ones, they understand and see the light (7:201)

while their brethren ceaselessly try to drag them into error. (7:202)



If you , (Muhammad), do not show them a miracle, they will keep on insisting that you must show them one. Say, "I only follow what is revealed to me from my Lord. This (Quran) contains wisdom for you from your Lord. It contains guidance and mercy for those who have faith. (7:203)



Whenever the Quran is recited (to you), listen to it quietly so that you may receive mercy (7:204).



Remember your Lord deep within yourselves, humbly and privately - instead of shouting out loud - (in prayer) in the mornings and evenings and do not be of the heedless ones (7:205).

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I guess if I am a Practising Muslim I'd rather stop here heeding the above advice.

[CtrlAltDel]

i always wanted to ask this...what do those numbers at the end of the passages mean? sorta chapter and verse?

[paris_dakar]

Yes!
To the absurd proposition that the proponents of freedom would cover their ass to let other persih. !!

Huh

you like ass, me too. Other than that what are you talking about? What I said has no relation to what you are saying. I did not get your drift, care to elaborate?



Who are these proponents of freedom and what made you think I am proposing that they should cover their asses. All I sad was....people can keep arguing like this...ain't nothing coming out of it. What I said about offering up asses is to ask as to what is really being expected? Should it be our expectation that all europeans should walk upto colored people and say hey hey! this is my ass..give it to me! another example all upper caste hindus should bendover or the japs to want to be backdoored in perpetuity. Why get stuck in this cycle of, "you say wha? oh no, MFFer! you ddin't say that" and then play DOOM.



there are a lot of absurdities goin on....this time around it wasn't me.

[CtrlAltDel]

Other than that what are you talking about? What I said has no relation to what you are saying. I did not get your drift, care to elaborate?

:lol:



paris_dakar, say hello to DQ...

[DQ]

Yes!
To the absurd proposition that the proponents of freedom would cover their ass to let other persih. !!

Huh

you like ass, me too. Other than that what are you talking about? What I said has no relation to what you are saying. I did not get your drift, care to elaborate?

Who are these proponents of freedom and what made you think I am proposing that they should cover their asses. All I sad was....people can keep arguing like this...ain't nothing coming out of it. What I said about offering up asses is to ask as to what is really being expected? Should it be our expectation that all europeans should walk upto colored people and say hey hey! this is my ass..give it to me! another example all upper caste hindus should bendover or the japs to want to be backdoored in perpetuity. Why get stuck in this cycle of, "you say wha? oh no, MFFer! you ddin't say that" and then play DOOM.

there are a lot of absurdities goin on....this time around it wasn't me.

Hmm, so you care a heck. "Nick off" why bother penning if it aint making sense. Morals, Poverty, Religion, Third World Ughh Ahhh So outdated right !!

[Mayavi Morpheus]

paris_dakar, say hello to DQ...

[lonewolf]

paris_dakar, say hello to DQ...

He's about to say goodbye

[paris_dakar]

Hello DQ,



I do care about the happenings around me...when did I say I don't? If I didn't, I couldve been jerkin off or chasing ass or pleasuring myself in every which way and never ever come across this board.



I was just morbidly curious when i read this topic and proceeded to flog the dead horse my self. Thats why I registered but then it didn't make any sense to be indulging in this blame mongering. So I asked where do we get off? It wasn't just at you...I am asking that to myself. In all of these posts no one is talking about making peace..the whole theme is its your ass thats to blame.

(not your specific ass, DQ. I am referring to the collective western, asian, arab, hindu, muslim, christian asses)



By the way you don't know enough about Hinduism to simply call it a polytheist religion...and religion and faith are two intertwined but different concepts. you can believe in one identity of God or you can divvi up the Divine to make it easier for you(again, 'you' is not you,DQ) to apply to specific situations or whatever...

[DQ]

Hello DQ,{/quote]
Hi P_D

I do care about the happenings around me

Thats good!!

...when did I say I don't?

Read your first post

If I didn't, I couldve been jerkin off or chasing ass or pleasuring myself in every which way and never ever come across this board.

Ok so you are here now!!!

I was just morbidly curious when i read this topic and proceeded to flog the dead horse my self. Thats why I registered but then it didn't make any sense to be indulging in this blame mongering.

THATS THE SAME ARGUEMENT I HAVE P_D

So I asked where do we get off? It wasn't just at you...I am asking that to myself. In all of these posts no one is talking about making peace..the whole theme is its your ass thats to blame.

HMM PEACE IS THE ONLY AMICABLE SOLUTION. SOME SUGGESTIONS I HAD FOR ALL OF US TO START ACTING ON (probably this had missed your attention).
The world has to unite.
Yes it has to unite not to oppose Islam but to oppose extremism in whatever form it may be.

- Be it a US congrass man calling to bomb the Kaaba.
- Be it an entire state machinery annihilating a community (AKA Gujrat)
- Be it a super power whamming nations after nations
- Be it an extremist group("So called Al Qaeda"), bombing innocent lives after innocent lives.

Yes when all this is included and the World joins Shoulder to Shoulder then we can fight extremism. We cannot be selective in battling extremism.

(not your specific ass, DQ. I am referring to the collective western, asian, arab, hindu, muslim, christian asses)

Its the same collective asses I talked about P_D, looks like you took it to be your ass only.

By the way you don't know enough about Hinduism to simply call it a polytheist religion...and religion and faith are two intertwined but different concepts. you can believe in one identity of God or you can divvi up the Divine to make it easier for you(again, 'you' is not you,DQ) to apply to specific situations or whatever...

At no stage did I talk about Hinduism P_D. Neither do I recollect talking about Polyatheism any where in this thread.

Well for the other part of your arguement start a New Topic on Polyatheism or something on that lines and we wil discuss it there.



Only on this post where I have penned You is for you only P_D. At other places it was figure of speech and not intended at you, no offence intended.

[lonewolf]

- Be it a US congrass man calling to bomb the Kaaba.
- Be it an entire state machinery annihilating a community (AKA Gujrat)
- Be it a super power whamming nations after nations
- Be it an extremist group("So called Al Qaeda"), bombing innocent lives after innocent lives.

Just curious, why is Al-Qaeda "so called" and the others not "so called"? Haven't people verified that there does exist a terrorist outfit called Al-Qaeda that you have to label it "so called"?

[DQ]

Just curious, why is Al-Qaeda "so called" and the others not "so called"? Haven't people verified that there does exist a terrorist outfit called Al-Qaeda that you have to label it "so called"?

- Hmm a good question.

Its like the "so called Rashtravadis" who call them selves rashtravadis, but go around carrying out anti national activities.



Its the same, "So called Al Qaida". There are many meaning to this term.



1. The base as it claims itself to be goes out of the window in the first argument, they claim to be adherents of the strictist Islamic principles, an adherent cannot re-lay a base it should adhere. They can call themselves Al Qaida a new religion. Al Qaida and Islam do not go hand in hand.



2. It can also mean principle or principled, again that is a frayed call, if they claim themselves to be in the fold of the religion. They break the first tenant of Islam. The word "Suicide" does not exist in Islam. The moment some one talks about suicide he is out of the folds of Islam. Having faith in God a person cannot commit Suicide and that too killing innocent people, every phase a Principle is broken how can they claim to be principled.



3. Another meaning is foundation, again if they are trying to lay a foundation 1400 hundered years after the Prophet, one has to rethink what foundation are they laying. Islam it cannot be as only a Prophet can lay the foundation.



There are many more flaws in the call for Al Qaida. Hope this makes sense.