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by Sadhu Baba » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:58 pm

DQ wrote:Patriotism ? Who is talking about that, that was a proposition put up by HP.

Its about talent, and the game.Unfortunately be any sport is such a profession where you cannot relax.

You get your place in the team, have a big record ....common relax.

No there are thousands more who are aspiring to get there, you can't go by saying today was a bad day :-p




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by azazel » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:29 pm

i agree to a lil' extent with DQ on this. there should be a more daring approach to the game by the selectors. ppl should be vying with each other for a place in the final 11, then only a better/consistent level of performance can be achieved. but, one bad outing n kickin half the team out is ridiculous.
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by Sharjeel » Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:05 pm

India lost yesterday, or was it the day before? Don't really care.



Onto the obituaries and criticisms. I just love to hate Indian cricketers! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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by azazel » Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:22 pm

Sharjeel wrote:Onto the obituaries and criticisms.


yep, we lost. it was a failure of the batsmen which let the match slip away. better luck next time.

I just love to hate Indian cricketers! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




its a luxury u can afford to have. :roll:
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by Sharjeel » Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:39 pm

Dunt ye be rollin yer maggoty eyes at yer grampa :evil:.



azazel wrote:yep, we lost. it was a failure of the batsmen which let the match slip away. better luck next time.
This only proves my point that India is just a batting side. On a helpful track Kumble and Bhajji took a lot of wickets and worried the Aussies, but otherwise we are nothing as a bowling side.
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by azazel » Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:45 pm

Sharjeel wrote:This only proves my point that India is just a batting side. On a helpful track Kumble and Bhajji took a lot of wickets and worried the Aussies, but otherwise we are nothing as a bowling side.




not just a batting-side, our batsmen are the primary strength. if they dont put up a good score then how can we expect the bowlers to cover-up? that doesnt mean we dun have good bowlers. Irfan Pathan has the potential to become on of the best in the future, Kumble has got nothing to prove, Harbhajan's 11 wickets should tell u more abt his talent. Its just the lack of consistency, which we will get over soon.
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by Sharjeel » Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:55 pm

You are being too biased. Look at it from a neutral perspective.



How many tests did bhajji win for India abroad. Last time he won a series was against Aus when they toured in 99.



Kumble is a steady bowler at best. Irfan Khan has a lot of potential, but too soon to tell. He is anyway too young and overburdened.
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by azazel » Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:08 pm

Sharjeel wrote:You are being too biased. Look at it from a neutral perspective.


biased? how? anyway, i just said what i feel. we certainly have the potential, its a matter of making it work as a team.

How many tests did bhajji win for India abroad. Last time he won a series was against Aus when they toured in 99.




dun dig up statistics yaar, its what they achieve now which is more important.
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by Sharjeel » Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:20 pm

You are just repeating one thing: wait and see.



In the meanwhile, the team is richer by 100 Crores. In the last test of this series (after losing 2-1), they will all make centuries in a drawn test on a dustbowl and everything will be forgiven.



Now they will expect miracles from Sachin, and criticise him if he gets out cheaply (never mind the long break, injury, and the fact that he a shadow the the old Sachin), or conversely praise him sky-high (deservedly) if he contributes.



I for my part will watch the match and will be thoroughly annoyed if they are paid 100 Crores per match and lose in their own backyard (by getting out to Warne, of all the people)
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by DQ » Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:20 am

Sharjeel wrote:You are just repeating one thing: wait and see.

In the meanwhile, the team is richer by 100 Crores. In the last test of this series (after losing 2-1), they will all make centuries in a drawn test on a dustbowl and everything will be forgiven.

Now they will expect miracles from Sachin, and criticise him if he gets out cheaply (never mind the long break, injury, and the fact that he a shadow the the old Sachin), or conversely praise him sky-high (deservedly) if he contributes.

I for my part will watch the match and will be thoroughly annoyed if they are paid 100 Crores per match and lose in their own backyard (by getting out to Warne, of all the people)




Precisely, and thats what i have been trying to PEN, if the others understand.



When I said there is much more talent waiting out there, did you see the agression in Bajji and Pathan that is what the 11 should be made of.



Sehwag - Basking in his 300 odd runs

Laxman - Basking in his performance in Australia last year.

Saurav - Busy opening his fast food chain, cricket is back stage now.



You shouldl give these guys a rest and recall them when they are ready toplay cricket. At least will have some exciting games even if we loose.
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:06 am

Sharjeel wrote:You are just repeating one thing: wait and see.

In the meanwhile, the team is richer by 100 Crores. In the last test of this series (after losing 2-1), they will all make centuries in a drawn test on a dustbowl and everything will be forgiven.

Now they will expect miracles from Sachin, and criticise him if he gets out cheaply (never mind the long break, injury, and the fact that he a shadow the the old Sachin), or conversely praise him sky-high (deservedly) if he contributes.

I for my part will watch the match and will be thoroughly annoyed if they are paid 100 Crores per match and lose in their own backyard (by getting out to Warne, of all the people)




Do you ever rue the fact that a filmstar is richer by a few crores after he's amde a flop movie? Do you ever feel so strongly about a politician who has creamed YOUR money for years and then gets off? Why are you after cricketers only?



I've stated earlier too that the double standards exercised by people in placing the cricketers on a high pedestal one day and throwing them off into grime the next day is unpalatable. It should stop with immediate effect.



As for your forecast on the series, if India takes a test off the Aussies as the current form is going, it'll be an achievement. You are talking of a team down in the dumps taking a test off the world champs. Nobody has ever stated that India is superior to the Aussies. Its the crazy junta and the Dr-Know-It-All journos who are painting such a despondent picture. Australia is a superior side and is the odds-on favourite here. Agreed, the way India lost in the first test was bad, but then, were you expecting them to wallop the Aussies all over the place that you're coming out so disappointed?



Finally, do you think getting out to Shane Warne - Out of all the people is a disgrace? He's one of the finest bowlers of all time. He's one of the only 3 bowlers in the world to have taken 500 test wickets. Give him some respect man. If this is what you feel about him, I have doubts about how much you know your cricket.
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by DQ » Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:31 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:You are talking of a team down in the dumps taking a test off the world champs. Nobody has ever stated that India is superior to the Aussies.


Is the team down in the dumps ?

Irfan pathan and Harbajan don't reflect what you say ..... Is it that priorities have changed now.

Like say starting of a new fast food chain

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:Australia is a superior side and is the odds-on favourite here. Agreed, the way India lost in the first test was bad, but then, were you expecting them to wallop the Aussies all over the place that you're coming out so disappointed?




WHy not. Why can't a country of billion people spending so much of its resources be the best side ?



Is it that after getting their spot up there priorities have changed ?
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by azazel » Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:38 pm

dude, u always end up taking the extreme angle of things :lol:

my 2 paise: get more players as probables for the national team, keep trying them out. that'll force the seniors too to take their jobs with a lot more determination if only for the fear of losing out to the others in-line. in the end, however, its just a game! u win some, u lose some.
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by Sharjeel » Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:06 pm

azazel wrote:in the end, however, its just a game! u win some, u lose some.
Oh how cosy! Maybe they think of it that way. But not me. I demand and deserve more commitment, esp from the selectors.
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by akhilis2cool » Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:50 am

Gramps and DQ at it agn.!! :lol:



OK we lost the last test, whts. the big deal in that? does that make our team so bad that more than half of it shld. b replaced?



And U gramps. I know U hate cricktet coz in ur days Hockey was famous. look at the hockey teams performance now....4-2 loss to pakistan! does that mean it shld. also b replaced?! they r a young team and need time, isnt it? (please dont talk abt. the money part here)



Our performance will b a lot better in the second test after some cganes are made in the line - up.
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by Prince of Darkness » Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:39 am

Cldnt go thru the whole discussion here, and tho the dude above sez "pls dont talk of the money"...

I just read how much they make, and it's ABSURD! 2 lakh a test, 50 lakh a year... and this is just the board contract. Im not sure but I think endorsements are extra. And what are the performances they produce? If not money, what is it that WILL prod our mules into performing better?



Instead of paying the lumps so much, divert some of that into improving facilities at lower levels. I don't mind Pathan or Kaif making some, but not consistently non-performing nincompoops.
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by DQ » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:42 pm

Prince of Darkness wrote:Cldnt go thru the whole discussion here, and tho the dude above sez "pls dont talk of the money"...
I just read how much they make, and it's ABSURD! 2 lakh a test, 50 lakh a year... and this is just the board contract. Im not sure but I think endorsements are extra. And what are the performances they produce? If not money, what is it that WILL prod our mules into performing better?

Instead of paying the lumps so much, divert some of that into improving facilities at lower levels. I don't mind Pathan or Kaif making some, but not consistently non-performing nincompoops.






Well AZ you blamed us for thinking extreme. ^^ what is this :-P



me n Gramp look moderate considering the above.



Current score 129/0 31 ovrs 4.16 RR. Do we need to nourish talent and pose a challenge to competitors rather then whining away and saying a game is a game.



Billions spent here, 1 billion hopes rest here...what do they get.....blech blech ....some where in between a good day.



Say this was an Industry, would we give away so much day in and day out????
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by akhilis2cool » Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:58 pm

Prince of Darkness wrote:Cldnt go thru the whole discussion here, and tho the dude above sez "pls dont talk of the money"
...the name is akhilis2cool. 8)
Prince of Darkness wrote:I just read how much they make, and it's ABSURD! 2 lakh a test, 50 lakh a year... and this is just the board contract. Im not sure but I think endorsements are extra. And what are the performances they produce? If not money, what is it that WILL prod our mules into performing better?
wish u played cricket too, rite?

Prince of Darkness wrote:Instead of paying the lumps so much, divert some of that into improving facilities at lower levels.

good go and tell the BCCI. U mite get the award for the best advice of the year
Prince of Darkness wrote:I don't mind Pathan or Kaif making some, but not consistently non-performing nincompoops.
why...UR fav. players are they? neway by ur logic they shld. stop playing once they earn a sizeable amnt. for endorsements and play a few bad games after that.
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by azazel » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:48 pm

baah, have said enuff on wht i wanted to say. for the unbelievers, current score:



Aus - 224/9 !



Anil Kumble --> 7/47



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by akhilis2cool » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:59 pm

azazel wrote:baah, have said enuff on wht i wanted to say. for the unbelievers, current score:

Aus - 224/9 !

Anil Kumble --> 7/47

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235 all out.... :twisted: :lol: mazaaa a gaya...Kumble Kaka zindabaad. :twisted:
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by azazel » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:20 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:235 all out.... :twisted: :lol: mazaaa a gaya...Kumble Kaka zindabaad. :twisted:




:twisted: right on.. lessee what the batsmen do with the remaining overs of the day.
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by akhilis2cool » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:59 pm

azazel wrote:
akhilis2cool wrote:235 all out.... :twisted: :lol: mazaaa a gaya...Kumble Kaka zindabaad. :twisted:


:twisted: right on.. lessee what the batsmen do with the remaining overs of the day.
28 for no loss.

not a bad start :twisted:

hope yuvraj does well.



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by Sharjeel » Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:11 pm

That really was a good performance. I stopped watching at tea, but seems that Indians are gonna get one back!
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by rainmaker » Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:44 pm

DQ wrote:
Sehwag - Basking in his 300 odd runs
Laxman - Basking in his performance in Australia last year.
Saurav - Busy opening his fast food chain, cricket is back stage now.

You shouldl give these guys a rest and recall them when they are ready toplay cricket. At least will have some exciting games even if we loose.




it was because of the rest (the season break) that sehwag and laxman lost their rich vein of form.



Sehwag - trying his best to find his form, it can only come through playing more cricket. and in case you don't know, he was dismissed WRONGLY in the 1st test. he was not out. the umpire made a wrong decision and apologized to sehwag after the match.



Laxman - was playing well until a gem of a delivery from Warne outfoxed him.



Saurav - leading from the front when required. he took the lead in the first test against australia in australia, with a fighting 130 in brisbane. and now he's effecting good bowling changes with kumble and harbhajan. picking zaheer khan might have been an error though. but he took kaif instead of chopra and thats a good move for this test.



Dravid - found form in the 2nd innings of the 1st test... tried his best.



this indian batting side will only get better. its taking time to come into stride cuz it hasnt played a test since april. believe in them and stop making inane comments in bad taste.
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by rainmaker » Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:51 pm

Sharjeel wrote:
In the meanwhile, the team is richer by 100 Crores.




100 crores? i think you're mixing up the population of india with the earnings of the cricket team!!!



our team generates the most income for its cricket board, and yet the salaries are in the same range as what the australian/pakistanis get. advertisements, those have been discussed earlier. it doesnt mean that a player is distracted / uninterested in cricket. thats amateurish thinking.
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